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Stop Signs, More Stop Signs

More Stop Signs - Poor Decision?

Well, the new stop signs are in (still covered), on Sawtelle Blvd, north and south bound at Hayter Ave. You knew this (and more...) was coming if you've been following things. We know this is in direct response to the wheelchair "pedestrian" that was struck and killed just north of this location recently, and while that was a tragedy, it should be noted that this person was crossing Sawtelle where it is marked on both the east and west sides with sings "Do Not Cross".

I say "this and more", because the long range plan is to install a traffic signal at Hayter Ave. Now, I don't disagree with a safer way to cross Sawtelle Blvd, but I feel this is the wrong way to go about it, though I do fully expect it to generate revenue for the city via CCPD, and in particular by their motor officers (who often "patrol" this area with speed traps). Oh, and speaking of which, the two electronic "Your Speed Is" signs along this stretch... the ones that rarely are working... Maybe they'd be more of a deterrent IF they worked.

Anyway, as I was saying, its not that I don't feel there could be a safer way to cross Sawtelle, especially considering the elementary school that is only one block west, but I think there is a better / safer way to accomplish this AND still keep traffic moving. I wish the powers that be would consider a pedestrian crossing light (remember, they are already planning to install the infrastructure to support a traffic signal) much like we have on Culver Blvd, just west of Elenda St. This light blinks yellow all the time, helping to remind drivers that there may be others using the sidewalks and roads, AND will switch to a blinking RED light when the crossing button is pushed.

Installing this sort of pedestrian assistance not only allows the pedestrian to directly influence their ability to cross, but keeps traffic moving without impediment at all other times.

Oh well, I'm sure this sort to logical thinking will be overlooked in favor of yet another stop sign / stop light, greater noise and pollution for the residents in the immediate area, and more traffic violations (more $) for the city.

Maybe we just make it really safe, and profitable, for everyone... we'll just put a stop sign or light at EVERY intersection in the city?

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concerned December 05, 2012 at 10:25 AM
To be honest there is really no safe place to cross sawtelle. The cross walk is on a curve, and at night the street is to dark. It's not fair to say the guy in wheel chair was in the wrong . The city is at fault for not providing a safe place to cross.
CulverCityNative December 05, 2012 at 04:51 PM
No, disagree. "The city is at fault"? I'll agree that some more convenient way, safer way, to cross without having to go all the way to Sepulveda / Jefferson or to Braddock is in order, but to say its the city's fault is wrong. Now, was the driver speeding or distracted (cell phone / texting - I see this ALL the time), then they are at some fault. Was the wheelchair crossing at an intersection / corner? Not from what I understand (and in CC, CCPD will cite you for J-Walking). So, back to the "cities at fault"... Should there be hand rails along every bit of sidewalk? You could make the choice to step off the curb anyplace and be injured or killed. Should we put rail road style crossing gates at every intersection so pedestrians don't cross before the walk signal turns green? **broken into two posts**
CulverCityNative December 05, 2012 at 04:51 PM
**broken into two posts** While it is a tragedy, and while the current attempt (stop sign) is really a poorly designed band aid, I think we should not rely on someone to hold our hand out in the real world. There were safer places to cross, and if that means walking a bit, then that is you choice. Cross "here" and be a judge of your own safety, or cross someplace were you feel it is safer. You say the stop sign / cross walk is on a curve and it is dark there (BTW, I live 2 short blocks from the intersection), we'll exactly. So I'm sure you agree that the best solution to this situation is not a stop sign, or a traffic signal, but a pedestrian signal (flasing yellow - red when crossing button is pressed). This best address ALL of the users needs, motorists and pedestrians, keeps the flow of traffic moving while it "encourages" drivers to drive at the speed limit and in a safe manor.
concerned December 05, 2012 at 08:39 PM
The key word here is walk, the man was in a wheelchair so his options were limited. How long did the city wait to repaint the crosswalk? Long enough for someone to get killed . There is still a issue of poor lighting on Sawtelle and all the streets off of it. If a counsel member or one of there friends lived in the area and complained about how dark it was the problem would get fixed in a heart beat.
CulverCityNative December 05, 2012 at 11:49 PM
"How long did the city wait to repaint the crosswalk?" There is / was a crosswalk? "If a counsel member or one of their friends lived in the area and complained..." Agree 100%
AMC December 12, 2012 at 04:17 AM
Traffic is backed up between 5:00 and 6:30 along Sawtelle Blvd now and very hard to exit my street onto Sawtelle. Thanks, Thanks A LOT. I forsee more accidents.
Sunkist Park Resident January 04, 2013 at 09:41 PM
....,baby steps. Adding the stop sign / cross walk helps. At least in the sense of providing an alternative to no such options. The revised speed limit 35 to 25 is cosmetic at best. Please, I don't feel that a Stop sign is the only approach to making Sawtelle safer. Surely, reducing the rate of travel from the usual 40+ is common sense. Signals, Stop signs, Roundabouts, Speed bumps, CCPD enforcement are all means to an end...., that being a safer corridor by which to navigate both by foot as well as by automobile...., right?
CulverCityNative January 08, 2013 at 12:33 AM
Well, I think the 25mph limit is absurd, and I live directly off of Sawtelle. It is a "divided" road (double yellow lines, with left-turn medium). This road could support 30 - 35mph AND pedestrian crossing, if it was handled differently. Now, we just have yet another important thoroughfare that creeps along, artificially at 25mph. BTW, CCPD is now writhing for both the stop and speed on this stretch. I love to go out and photograph them "hiding" from across the way with a telephoto lens and tripod. Makes them self conscious.
CulverCityNative March 28, 2013 at 01:18 AM
Stay tuned... the city is going to put Red LED blinkers on each stop sign. That'll be cute around the Holidays!
Roy Amor May 25, 2013 at 06:23 PM
I'm glad people have posted about the absurd new 25 mph speed limit on Sawtelle. For a long time I just noticed the new stop sign. Then I saw people getting pulled over by the cops. I finally realized the speed limit had been lowered. Going 25 mph on such a clear open road is ridiculous. They should at the very least raise it to 30 mph but I don't see that happening. Am I the only one that has noticed that once a freedom is taken away or reduced it is seldom restored?
CulverCityNative June 06, 2013 at 12:39 PM
Well, I won't go as far as "freedoms" being taken away, but it is ridiculous, the speed limit. Here is a fun one... during morning or afternoon hours, when the street is extra busy, try pulling out onto Sawtelle from Orville street. These days I just "pull out", to hell with the rest of you... its the ONLY WAY I can get out of my street. Being one very short block north of the new stop, the cars are spaced such that there is no time / space to enter the flow of traffic. During these times, the traffic is backed up (south bound traffic) nearly to the bridge, and north bound there is an endless "queue" of cars at the stop. Anyway, don't run into me when I pull out in front of you... I'll be pissed off, and trust me, you don't want that... trust me.
CulverCityNative July 02, 2013 at 08:48 PM
HEY, GUESS WHAT???? The speed limit has CHANGED on Sawtelle, BACK to what it was - 35MPH. When the new stop sign went in, the speed was reduced, citations where issued, and the way too slow speed of 25MPH was placed on this stretch. But as of the past few days, the speed of 35 has returned. Now if only the stop signs would become a yellow caution light, OR if the city would install the RED LED lights on the stop signs.
CulverCityNative October 10, 2013 at 04:31 PM
Holy cow Batman... I see today (October 10, 2013) that there are flashing red lights in both N. and S. directions of Sawtelle!

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